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What is everyone's opinions on the canidates for presidency? I'm going with O'bama right now because ive seen what years of a radical republican has done and the last democrat we had did good job with economy and yes I'm aware of the "gun ban" but ive shot ar 15's and didn't like it. Besides, Bush said he was going to continue the "ban" and didn't. I stopped counting the lies. Anyways, what are some thoughts becuase the only way to get it right is to get every answer.
 

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What is everyone's opinions on the canidates for presidency? I'm going with O'bama right now because ive seen what years of a radical republican has done and the last democrat we had did good job with economy and yes I'm aware of the "gun ban" but ive shot ar 15's and didn't like it. Besides, Bush said he was going to continue the "ban" and didn't. I stopped counting the lies. Anyways, what are some thoughts becuase the only way to get it right is to get every answer.
First off there is no way in hell I would vote for Obama!!!!

and let me get this right, just because you have shot a AR-15 and did not like it, does that mean I should not own one?????


I live in Illinois, I know what views Obama has on gun control. I know what laws are in efect in Chicago. I do not want to see these laws all across the country!

I take it you are for the "Clinton Gun Ban" How did that stop any crime??????
99.9% of legally owned gun are never used in a crime, so how is limiting legal guns going to stop any crimes?
How about just enforcing the gun laws already on the books?

If I have my choice then Fred Thompson would be the next President.

Mike.
 

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So, as the "armed liberal" you would gladly sell your firearms rights in order for the economy to be good?

First of all there is nothing wrong with our economy, regardless of the lies that the far left leaning liberals constantly say.

Here is some information on Obama that as a gun owner you should know about.

After reading it, if you still want to vote for Obama, at least you have made an informed decision.

From on the Issues. A non partisan organization.

Barack Obama on gun control

Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator


Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons

Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions.
Increase state restrictions in the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufactures to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_ ... ontrol.htm
 

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When someone claims to be liberal the opinions seem to be the same, armed or not. JMO
 

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Must have hit enter twice.
 

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Thanks for some other views. Guns are not my life, I'm sorry. When you get my OPINIONS then tell me they are the same as real liberals. When you know mine, try to call me one. I didn't say you can't have an AR, I didn't like it, so I don't think giving my life to have one makes much sense. I also know the fact that crime went up as the "gun ban" was in effect. Everyone here knows one or more people that they would not want in possession of a firearm. How do these "restrictions" effect law abiding citizens. If they truely are law abiding, what are they afraid of??? Please inform me of one time you've thought armor piercing ammunition was necessary. I am now a little more wary of O'bama as a choice, but, I will be difficult to be persuaded into another republican in office. Gas prices are a big hit to me because I live 30 miles from work and there is no other job right now that would be better. When little guy suffers and big guy isn't affected, somethings wrong. Extend income taxes to no limit on income and we will all be saying what deficit!
 

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How to talk to a Liberal. If you must. A great book by Ann Coulter. That girl has her head on straight. I would vote for her before "Bill's" wife! Also Amen to Fred Thompson.

If the liberals should get their Gun Ban that they want. Then no more skeet or trap for me because I use one of those awful
dangerous semi-auto shotguns. And then my grandaughter would not be able to shoot the Ruger 10/22 because it uses one of those (shudder) dangerous removeable magizines. But she could go ahead with a tube feed rifle that holds MORE than
10 rounds.
Are those people really that stupid ? I think the News media are partly responseable . Because its a known fact that most of them don't know which end of the gun goes on the shoulder
 

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Well fear is more popular to the masses. Isn't every story on the news about health, shooting, or some disaster. You never hear the good stories much like you never hear good hunters, fisherman, boaters. All they see is people who have guns killing other people. What would everyone say to this as gun control law? People who want to buy firearms must have high school diploma. drop out rates are soaring and to the masses, everyone who owns a gun is either a ******* or a gangmember. Did everyone read the story about the hunters in Italy turning down a culling of the deer population asked by the farmer's because they were sick of the negative publicity in the news. People actually think Bambi (the cartoon) is how nature is. I live in "the sticks" and deer are not cute. Yes not even fawns.
 

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armedliberal said:
Guns are not my life, I'm sorry.
First mistake.
armedliberal said:
How do these "restrictions" effect law abiding citizens. If they truely are law abiding, what are they afraid of???
I don't know, what were Jews of 1930s Germany afraid of? They abided by the law. Also, you used "effect" when you should have used "affect"; learn the language, liberal.
armedliberal said:
Please inform me of one time you've thought armor piercing ammunition was necessary.
Ruby Ridge.
armedliberal said:
Well fear is more popular to the masses. Isn't every story on the news about health, shooting, or some disaster.
Little girls playing with bunny rabbits on calm June days don't sell crap.
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everyone who owns a gun is either a ******* or a gangmember.
That's neither true, nor very open-minded. Truth be told, our society was built on the backs of ********. Sandal-wearing hippies did not clear the land and hunt down dangerous game so that their sandal-wearing hippy children could frolic in the meadow. Nor did they keep us safe from our enemies. Our society is made up of people of all races, religions, cultures, etc. You can respect them, or at the very least, not belittle them simply because you find them to be uncouth or uncultured.
By the way, I lived in Arkansas while it languished under the rule of Bill and Hill. Did you? It was no f****** picnic! Fortunately after Bill left and his lieutenant was arrested in the Whitewater scandal we received an actual leader in the form of Mike Huckabee. Getting back to your original post, this is the man I would vote for. Realistically, I know he doesn't have the name recognition to be President. This is the only way he falls short. He is a good Christian (Southern Baptist preacher), a known supporter of outdoorsmen, and (most importantly to me) he began the revitalization of Arkansas' public school and road systems. If you still believe slick willy was a great guy because the economy happened to benefit while he sat in the big chair, ask yourself this: "Why are so many of Bill Clinton's close friends and associates dead or in prison?"
 

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Gas prices are a big hit to me
Well, I can walk to work so I don't care. :roll:

If you are willing to give up Constitutional rights for cheap gas, something is wrong in your thought process. Have gas prices dropped since the Democratic controlled Congress has been in session?

It's comical to think Hillary, Obama or Edwards is going to do anything about gas prices. All they (along with Rudy McRomney) will do is hasten the demise of this country.
 

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The mess that this whole nation is in can be succinctly described.....

1 - The citizens, for the most part, have lost any sense of self-reliance and responsibility.

2 - The politictians have become "professional politicians"... it was never intended to be that way; and they have, almost to a man, forsaken any integrity they may have once had.

Exceptions to the above are damned rare.... I think Fred Thompson may well be an exception.
 

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I'm a product of no child left behind, sorry. I will not apologize however for not being consumed by guns. Yes the democrats really destoyed this country in the 1930's...history book anyone? Bush Sr. had higher gas prices, then Clinton brought 'em down, then Bush jr.(the president, I know of the former governor, alot of good he did. I was a citizen of Florida under his terms in office, so don't tell me I missed something.) has high gas prices again... Did you not read what I wrote before the ******* or gangmember thing, I stated what popular belief is, THINK!!! At Ruby Ridge, whose side were you on, Government or someone who gives gun owners a bad name? Where are Bush's friends going?, they are either puting as much distance between them and him or prison... WWB, good comment on current politicians and society, but, the middle class means more to me then the rich i.e. republican tax breaks and Bush's plan to cut the higher levels of income taxes. My quarrel is with conservatives, liberals (yes, I'm a democrat, and proud of it, not many democrats display that), anarchists, racists(including nazis), and people who USE religion, oh yea, the army of god too.
 

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I'm a product of no child left behind, sorry.
Then you are entirely too young and/or irresponsible to be considering the purchase of a handgun. If you accidently shoot and maim an innocent, will you blame your disfunctional educational system?
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Bush Sr. had higher gas prices, then Clinton brought 'em down, then Bush jr.(the president, I know of the former governor, alot of good he did. I was a citizen of Florida under his terms in office, so don't tell me I missed something.) has high gas prices again...
If you believe one man in one office is responsible for the price of refined fuel at the pump please do your nation the honor of not voting until you have taken a more objective look at our geopolitical and industrial chemical situation.
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Did you not read what I wrote before the ******* or gangmember thing, I stated what popular belief is, THINK!!!
Your posts are borderline indecipherable. Please learn grammar and spelling before identifying the mistakes of others. Occasional mistakes are understandable. You've made quite a few punctuation errors in the above post, and I'm not entirely sure what you are saying. When in doubt, please spell it out.
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At Ruby Ridge, whose side were you on, Government or someone who gives gun owners a bad name?
Simply because I do not agree with someone's politics does not mean I believe they should be shot while unarmed by government snipers acting under rules of engagement our own military would not even accept. What was it Voltaire said? Ah, yes:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
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My quarrel is with conservatives, liberals (yes, I'm a democrat, and proud of it, not many democrats display that), anarchists, racists(including nazis), and people who USE religion, oh yea, the army of god too.
Please capitalize God, if for no other reason than that He is a proper noun; if you know what that means, of course.
 

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I like the quote you posted from Voltaire. You cannot blame the gun unless it loads it'self, points it'self, and pulls it's own trigger. I will capitolize God when He or She is by themselve's. I will not capitolize it when used in the name of a radical anti-abortion group that has posted names and addressess of abortionists for the soul purpose of their demise. I myself would like to see abortion ended when not life threatening to the mother, but I will not push my religious views on others. To the sell my constitutional right of owning guns for a better economy? I will do it if it helps others. It is a greater Cost Benefit.
 

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armedliberal, your sig line proclaimes you to be a patriot. Im sorry but your post just dont strike me that way.
 

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armedliberal said:
I like the quote you posted from Voltaire.
Well, that's one thing we agree on.
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You cannot blame the gun unless it loads it'self, points it'self, and pulls it's own trigger.
Faulty usage of the apostrophe aside, we are now two for two.
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I will capitolize God when He or She is by themselve's. I will not capitolize it when used in the name of a radical anti-abortion group that has posted names and addressess of abortionists for the soul purpose of their demise.
Capitol and capital are two different words, sir. Use the right one. Also, we capitalize God not only for reasons of religious respect, but because He is not a common noun, which do not receive capitalization. You would capitalize the ship known as "Titanic" would you not? If you do not wish to abide by the rules of written English, please choose another language.
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I myself would like to see abortion ended when not life threatening to the mother, but I will not push my religious views on others.
According to the Surgeon General (Bill Clinton's no less) fewer than one percent of all abortions are performed to save the life of the mother. That fact alone should prove the selfish nature of this most barbaric form of human torture. The animals I kill for food are treated with more respect than the children of today's unplanned pregnancies.
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To the sell my constitutional right of owning guns for a better economy? I will do it if it helps others. It is a greater Cost Benefit.
Then you sir are a man in sore need of a few history lessons. I'll make this easy. Since you seem to like 18th century revolutionary quotes I suggest you look up the remarks of one Thomas Jefferson. See what he has too say about guns and liberty.
Myself? I would rather live free in poverty than enslaved in extravagant wealth.
 

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Myself? I would rather live free in poverty than enslaved in extravagant wealth.
hogfan81, I'd be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with ya!
 

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I can't yet say I've ever been impoverished, but I've certainly been poor. If being wealthy means I have to accept the absurd morality and intellectual emptiness of certain, high-profile, anti-gun individuals from the left coast of our nation, I'll take poor.
 

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So having every type of gun is the only way to be patriotic? I love our country and the diversity of it's populace, that does not mean that I have to agree with what everyone else says.
 

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So having every type of gun is the only way to be patriotic? I love our country and the diversity of it's populace, that does not mean that I have to agree with what everyone else says.
Where the heck did you read that in any of the above posts? I said I'd rather live freely in poverty than live entrapped, but wealthy. The difference, young liberal, is the soundness of mind and heart. I would sacrifice some material pleasantries as long as I am free to practice my faith, my convictions, and my lifestyle without repression from the government, guns or no guns. I don't care how many guns one has; I myself only have 3. I look forward to more, but I'm not going to sacrifice any level of freedom to any peace-loving, security-infatuated, freedom-hating liberal politico who preaches the virtues of a giant, all-seeing, all-knowing government, whom all the intellectuals agree is the "kindest, bravest, warmest most wonderful human being" (The Manchurian Candidate 1962 - go rent it).
By the way, where I come from "liberal" is slang for a self-righteous, overly educated, under worked idiot who determines his stance on a particular situation, then seeks to find whatever facts support his position. Finding none, he makes up new facts. "Liberal" is not used as a compliment. My grandfather has voted democrat as far back as I can remember, and he probably will until he dies; still, I would never call him a liberal. I don't expect you to understand all this, but you could try.
 
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