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I just bought a little Kel-Tek P-11 today as the price was too good to pass up. At $125 out the door for one that looked like it was never fired I tihink I did all right. Despite their low price tag, these guns are fairly durable, I have a KT P-40 which has a thousand rounds or so through it to date with only a single mishap, a round failed to fire but a second pull on the trigger set it off. This may not be a lot of rounds in a gun but for something in the $200 range, it has held up very well. Now I have a cheaper practice gun than the 40. I figure the cost of the gun should be paid back by the time I finish the break in/reliability period. Those looking for an inexpensive carry gun, I urge you to take a look at Kel-Tek. They are not pretty, nor do they have many bells and whistles but for an easy to carry and conceal weapon they are hard to beat.
 

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hoashooter,
I haven't shot it yet, I left on a fishing trip shortly after posting. With the .40, I can regularly put the 9 rounds in the 10 ring of a B-27 target at 10 yards without much problem. getting toward the 4th mag and the hands become a bit sore even with a Hauge rubber sleeve and a mag extension. I plan on changing all the mags on my 40 back into 9 rounders for belt wear and leave the 9mm mags flat for ankle holster use. Depending on the situation I will have several carry options available.
 

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I would suggest the P3AT as the smaller calibers often have problems with reliable feeding. I don't know what the full reasoning behind this is but it doesn't seem to make a difference as to brand, model, or age of gun. I've seen it happen with a Seacamp .32 using the mandated Silvertips on down to the least expensive Jennings, Brycos, and Davis'. I would also check out the Kel-Tech Owners Group website (I think it is www.ktog.org my laptop has been on the fritz for a couple weeks so don't have the address handy) for ideas for smoothing out the trigger pull. The effort required is rather great for such a small pistol and the advice found is very simple, easy to follow, and gives dramatic improvement. The pull is not decreased much but the creep and grittiness is greatly reduced so it seems much lighter.
 

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Justin,
I would be inclined to agree with you except that the .25 ACP which is considered a rimless cartridge shares much the same reputation with the .32 ACP as does the .22 LR (large rim) in the very small guns. In a larger package the .32 ACP is pretty dependable (so is the 22 LR) as is the .38 ACP and .38 Super which are also designated as being semi-rimmed cartridges. I would venture to guess the blow back operation of these smaller pistols and relationship of the slide mass to pressure curves and duration have much to do about this. Getting into larger cartridges brings a switch to a recoil operation which seems to work pretty well.
 

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Thanks for the link Justin, I was not aware the P-32 was recoil operated, probably the reason the P-32 is said to be less likely to suffer from "rimlock" (brand new term for me) and as mentioned why the 38 ACP and 38 Super are rarely plagued by this condition despite having a rim. That said, there has been numerous comments on the 32 ACP Kel-Teks not operating as intended in the KTOG forum over the years; enough so that I don't think incorrectly loaded magazines is the only reason. The rimlock feature was interesting also but still does not address why the unrimmed 25 ACP nor the 22 LR with no extractor groove is also prone to similar malfunctions in the mouse guns (with the 22 LR, more meticulous cleaning than in the centerfire cartridges is also needed for reliability). I still believe it has much more to do with the type of operating mechanism, slide weight, and pressure curves. The presence of a rim may exacerbate the problem but I doubt it is the root cause. That a locked breach, recoil operated gun such as the P-32 has fewer of these issues tends to confirm my belief.
 
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