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Hi,

My name is Jared Bennett. I am a senior at Western Oregon University located in Monmouth Oregon. My major is Criminal Justice with a minor in Anthropology. I am currently enrolled in a Juvenile Delinquency class that is centered on the idea of children, crime, and deviant behaviors committed by juveniles.

My paper for this class is based on juveniles and guns. I am reaching out to you for information regarding children and guns. I am also looking for personal stories that you may have that I can include in parts of my paper.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

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Exactly what kind of info/stories are ya looking for? Kids using guns in crimes or seeing a (bad) kid get turned around when they get involved in hunting/shooting sports?

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I am looking for any and all stories.

Children using guns, children finding guns in a home, even if it was used or not used. gang related teens using guns (if you have seen it happen) etc...
 

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I grew up in a rural northern Minnesota home with a fair number of guns... all unloaded and cased, stored in various closets, with ammunition for all of them readily available..... unthinkable in today's firearm-phobic society. Aside from a one-year period in the late 1960s, I have never harmed another human being with a firearm.

My children, now both adults, grew up in household with readily available firearms and ammunition. Neither of them has ever misused a firearm.

Do you think maybe irresponsible parenting may be the root of the problem?

Why do you persist in trying to put the blame on an inanimate object?

Are you aware that stringent firearms restrictions in England have not reduced violent crime? Are you aware that in England they are now attempting to outlaw large, pointed kitchen cutlery? What's next.... sticks and rocks?
 

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Do you think maybe irresponsible parenting may be the root of the problem?

Why do you persist in trying to put the blame on an inanimate object?


WWB,

Thank you for your post. that is what I am looking for.

Irresponsibly parenting is one part of the problem, not the root. As each problem as a different root. I do believe that the parents have a huge role to play when children find loaded guns in the house. Children are like little sponges and when they find a loaded or unloaded gun in the house, what do they want to do? figure out how it works. and this is how accidents happen.

There are many other reasons why children use guns. Gangs, troubled children at school, bullies, movies, tv, and video games are just a few other reasons.

By no means am I blaming the gun or the gun maker for the actions that are caused by children and the misuse of guns.

You mention England and the efforts to band large pointed kitchen knives. Well maybe the US should adopt some of England’s actions and put it to use. If you compare the numbers of children being affected by guns in the US vs. the children in Great Britain, you will see a dramatic increase to the US. In one year 19 Children in Great Britain died from the misuse of guns in the home, where in the same year 5,285 children in the US died from the misuse of guns. This information is provided by the Brady Center, a organization helping to prevent violence in guns.
 

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I'll second the above post...I too was raised with access to firearms,as were my kids. No gun related problems here either.

A friend of mine did have her 8 year old charged with assault after he popped another kid in the back of the head with a rock,though. This all happened after the older, larger kid knocked him off of his bike and took it. The older child wasn't charged with anything, even though this was looked at by all as theft.

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I replied to your PM but then decided to delete it and post my response in the open forum.


The Brady campaign may be nonpartisan in regard to political parties but they certainly have an agenda that they will lie to push. Your "statistic" that 5285 children were killed by misuse of guns in the US is derived from numbers including "children" as old as 24. If a police officer shoots a 19 year old drug dealer the brady center includes that incident in their statistic of children killed. If a 21 year old beats his wife and she shoots him in self defense he is also considered part of the Brady statistic. I have done research on these statistics over the last few years and I no longer trust anything the Brady campaign says.

Some interesting statistics:
* Firearm accident deaths have been decreasing for decades. Since 1930, their annual number has decreased 76%, while the U.S. population has more than doubled and the number of firearms has quintupled. Among children, such deaths have decreased 89% since 1975.
* Firearm accident deaths are at an all-time annual low, nationally and among children, while the U.S. population is at an all-time high. In 2002, there were 762 such deaths nationally, including 60 among children. Today, the odds are more than a million to one against a child in the U.S. dying from a firearm accident.
* The firearm accident death rate is at an all-time annual low, 0.26 per 100,000 population, down 92% since the all-time high in 1904.
* Firearms are involved in 1% of all deaths, and 1% of all deaths among children. Deaths involving firearms have decreased 19% since 1993.
* Firearms are involved in 0.7% of accidental deaths nationally, and in 1% among children. Most accidental deaths involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (41%), poisoning (16%), falls (15%), suffocation (5%), drowning (3%), fires (3%), medical mistakes (2%), environmental factors (1%), and bicycles (1%). Among children: motor vehicles (44%), suffocation (16%), drowning (16%), fires (9%), bicycles (2%), poisoning (2%), falls (2%), environmental factors (1%), and medical mistakes (1%).


Yes, this link is to the NRA. I ask that you read it with an open mind. These statistics are from government agencies and not conjured up by some activist group. The first paragraph states the source of the information.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets ... spx?ID=120

The NRA also has an agenda (to protect our God given right to own guns) but consider that the NRA helped to author the Gun Control Act of 1968. They have always been in favor of reasonable gun laws whereas the Brady center was founded with the intention of restricting and removing law abiding citizens' 2nd Amendment rights.
 

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Well now...It would seem that you've arrived at a site that may not share your veiws on things. Please understand that this is a PRO-GUN site. The facts, as stated by the Brady Bunch, have been suspect for quite a long time. SEE YA!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Re: re: Academic Study: Children and Guns

Bennett, I believe poor parenting is the root of most behavioral problems. Rarely do you find a criminal or deviant who was raised by loving parents that instilled morals and values into them. More often such behavior is the result of children learning right and wrong from their peers or not at all.
 

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HWD,

I am not taking sides on the issues or share a belief with one side or the other. I am only conducting academic research. As pointed out by fuel, the Brady campaign uses all juvenile deaths as a statistic in conjuring up their statistical information. I have reviewed the link to the NRA site and agree with the reliability of the statical information more than that of the Brady campaign.
 

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I remember a few years back when an internet friend of mine was doing an academic study of his own. He came to a couple of forums that I frequented and he didn't, looking for the same style of information. He was met with the same type of distrust that you are experiencing now BennettOZ until I vouched for him. Be patient, some of us have seen anti-gun operatives come to forum with seemingly innocent questions and have it turn into a huge blow up.

Guys, he was absolutely forthcoming with who he is and why he's here as far as I can tell, let's give him a little latitude and at the least be friendly.

Name: M Sample
Location: Padua IL
Level of experience: I try to not label myself
Years dealing with guns: 39

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Occupation: Self-employed
Sex: M
Age: 44
Weapons owned: Too many to list and wouldn't on an internet forum anyway.

My children, ages 16 (b) and 11 (g), have been around guns every minute of their lives. When younger they never picked up a gun or gave a gun a second look without permission.

Now they have their own to use at their discretion as well as mine. EVERY time they pick up a gun, they check the safety then make sure the chamber is empty.

They both know how to load, unload, fire, and strip down every firearm I own, they do the cleaning of said firearms. There is no "mystery" for them.

Irresponsible behavior has never been an issue because they know what a firearm can do. They have been going hunting and target shooting with me since they could walk. They have seen animals harvested and miscellaneous objects 'blown up". A can of green beans shot at close range with a high velocity center-fire leaves quite an impression as to the power involved.

Jared, a little tip for you, don't go into a firearms forum and quote the Brady Campaign, it won't open any doors for you and several forums I know of would have immediately banned a newbie speaking relatively kndly of them.
 

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MarlandS,

Thank you so much for your post. I was unaware of the Brady Campaign and its affects on this subject until I was directed to the NRA website for some very helpful information.

I am a newbie to the forum world of firearms, but just so everyone knows, I do also own several firearms and I am by no means an Anti-gun person. I enjoy shooting and hunting.

Again MarlandS, Thank you for your support.
 

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Crap, huge post lost in cyber space, Readers Digest version coming..

Jared, check out the NRA's Eddie Eagle program http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/index.asp (the links in the left margin also)
The point for me directing you there is many of the orgs. that have "preventing violence" or mention safety in their mission statement protest this program without ever sitting in to see what it's about.

You have chosen a tangled , emotional topic for your study. If you want a truly academic paper, there are a thousand of us willing to help you find informtion you might not come across on your own. It'll be the long road.

if you are in it more for the grade, that's an easy road. Either way you choose, your grade will probably be the same. It's all up to what you want.

No matter which road you take, good luck in your endeavors.
 
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