[txvashooter]

Maser brought up a point about using hollow points for HD in a different thread. A definite stopper, but overpenetration may well be an issue. I personally use glaser safety slugs. Of one was without those, and had concern about overpenetration, what to use? Heaven forbid, anything ever need to be done.

Many in my circle of friends advocate a standard lead roundnose bullet, mashes somewhat and transfer most energy into target. Thoughts?

I know hollow points are an end all be all for those not concerned with overpenetration, what might some of you thers use, or recommend, or just have comment on?

TxVa

 

[RTFM]

The way I look at my self defense pistol comes form two friends I have the the Dallas / Ft. Worth area. They both are United States Air Marshals, I happen to have the same pistol that they carry on air craft a SIG P229 in .40S&W.

The U.S.A.M. Service has switched to .357SIG so I have re-barreled mine also to the SIG .357 P229

The service supplied ammunition is .357 SIG Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point, which I now carry in my pistol also.

Though I to hope to never - EVER need to draw my side arm in self defense, should I need to, the gun is unmodified, no wolf springs, no fancy toys, but straight SIG from the factory, using the same pistol and ammunition that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT uses to protect us all.

Think of it as a first step in the anti-sleaze lawyer defense, in the after math of a defensive shooting. With the gun being unmodified I can not be portrayed as some psycho-gun-nut that altered his weapon to see who well it would shoot humans.


I suggest you research what your local Police, Sheriff, State Police or other government agency uses and match what they use for hardware and ammunition.

 

[ssnell]

Home defense load is 230 grain winchester stx .45
Scott

 

[Maser]

i saw some cool bullets demostrated on some video awhile back n dont remember what the bullets were called but they looked like a regular round nosed bullet with no jacket but what it did was when it hit something solid like a steel plate or wall the bullet turned to dust so i dont really know if that was demonstrated as a good home defense bullet to avoid over penetration or a bullet that has no chance of riccochet

 

[ssnell]

i saw some cool bullets demostrated on some video awhile back n dont remember what the bullets were called but they looked like a regular round nosed bullet with no jacket but what it did was when it hit something solid like a steel plate or wall the bullet turned to dust so i dont really know if that was demonstrated as a good home defense bullet to avoid over penetration or a bullet that has no chance of riccochet

Sounds like a Glasser safety slug!

 

[Maser]

Sounds like a Glasser safety slug!

*puts on his dunce cap*

 

[uglydog]

Hollow points are the least likely to overpenetrate after the frangible types like the Glasers and Mag-Safes. After all the hollow point is designed to mushroom which increases surface area and further increases the rate of deceleration which decreases penetration. The standard lead round noses are notorious for punching clean through a target with little energy transfer. The velocity is no wheres enough to cause these to mushroom unless at close range and a heavy bone such as the pelvis or skull is hit. That was the reason these bullets were phased out of police use decades ago, and the reason the semi-wadcutter came into being nearly 80 years ago was to alleviate these shortcomings. Soft point pistol rounds are nearly as bad as a pistol's velocity is often not enough to cause these to expand. In the lightest weights this tendency is lessened but if hollow points and frangible ammo is not allowed or available, I would fall back to a revolver and semi-wadcutters rather than round ball except in the 45 ACP.

 

[uglydog]

I almost forgot, the bullet Maser mentions could also be a sintered zinc bullet made for shooting at metal targets. They are designed to disintegrate on contact to reduce the chance of ricochettes. I have seen them mainly directed towards law enforcement for use in live fire houses but they are/were listed in the Federal Cartridge catalog.

 

[zombie]

I almost forgot, the bullet Maser mentions could also be a sintered zinc bullet made for shooting at metal targets. They are designed to disintegrate on contact to reduce the chance of ricochettes. I have seen them mainly directed towards law enforcement for use in live fire houses but they are/were listed in the Federal Cartridge catalog.

Frangibles. There are several companies making a bunch of different types, nowadays.

 

[ski1462]

My department issues Glock 22's with Speer Gold Dot Hollow Points. A friend of mine shot a guy in the shoulder with GDHP and it caused extensive damage and the bad guy spent a long time in the hospitial. BTW, the bad guy was shot from about 8 feet away and the round did NOT go through him.