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I second the 22 myself. The issue is not recoil so much as amount of practice rounds can put through the gun for training. Of all the firearms, a handgun is by far the most difficult to become proficient with. A used Glock runs $350 for a police turn in and ammo is in the $7+ range for a box of 50. A decent 22 LR such as a S&W 22A or Beretta Neos runs around $200 and one can buy well over 5000 rounds for another $150 dollars. This gives a person a lot of opportunity to work on stance, grip, sight alignment, trigger squeeze, and follow through to name a few. The triggers on most decent 22 handguns are pretty good, much better than about any double action or striker I've fired. I've run many first timers through basic handgun training and starting with a 22 LR prevented many bad habits from forming (it also allows one to firmly entrench bad habits through repetition too). I've also found it to be very beneficial in correcting many bad habits picked up from the range, even the police academy pistol course.
This is very similar to teaching shotgunning too, one does not start a newcomer off using Winchester Super Sports or even 3 dram Heavy Target loads. Instead, a much better way is to use something like the 1 oz Win Xtra-Lites so the shooter can concentrate more upon the mechanics of what they are doing than worry about getting smacked in the chops. If a handgun had the versatility in loads a shotgun has I'd probably think otherwise but unfortunately it doesn't.
Also, intelligence has little to do with it, it is the willingness to receive instruction that matters. Mostly the "least intelligent" have it in spades over the Mensa group with those falling in between in ''smarts'' are often the worst; too smart to just follow directions but not smart enough to realize how little they know. I hate teaching the latter and unfortunately most "normal" males seem to fall into that category.
 

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Re: re: Glock as first gun?

uglydog said:
I second the 22 myself. The issue is not recoil so much as amount of practice rounds can put through the gun for training.
Plus if he really starts to enjoy shooting, he's going to want a .22 eventually anyway just to save on the price of ammo - its not like he'd be throwing money away on a pistol that he wouldn't need/use.
 

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Re: re: Glock as first gun?

Clayslayer said:
Cons: Some don't like the style or looks of them. That's because they're morons. That's about it.
Well, I happen to think that Glocks are one of the ugliest guns ever made, BUT that DOES NOT make me a moron!!! Do I own a Glock? yes, I do, two to be exact, but I prefer my 1911. The glock just don't fit my hand that well. I don't like the feel of the plastic and the trigger sucks. I prefer a carry gun with a safety that keeps the gun from firing if for some reason I do manage to get my booger hook inside of the trigger guard. Yes, Glocks are good guns. I enjoy shooting them at the range and in my back yard. I just don't like everything about them.

as a first gun, if you like it, go for it. Just like any other gun,take your time and learn how to shoot it safely
 

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I would say to take him to a reputable shop/indoor range where he can try some before he bought anything or went to a class. A 17 or a 19 would be a fine first gun based on ease of ownership, use and reliability if that's what he likes in his hands. Then again, after sampling things he may end up liking an XD or an M&P or a 1911 or a revolver or... Depends on his hand size, his taste in trigger pull, his stomache for recoil, preference about safeties, etc. He'll get an orientation from the rangemaster and should have you there to oversee, I assume, so he should be fine.
 

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A friend of mine wants to buy a glock for his first gun. He isn't currently a gun owner and has never shot a gun before, he's waiting for me to take him. It's main use would be home defense and possibly concealed carry, we are planning on taking the class together in a few months.

My question is whether a Glock is an intelligent choice for a first gun? I can help him learn to use almost any SA, DAO or SA/DA type semiauto with "standard" features as well as any revolver but my understanding is that Glocks have unique safety features like the safety in the trigger. I know nothing about Glocks except that the gunsmith at Gander Mountain doesn't recommend them as a first gun, that's why I'm asking.
This is an old old thread that, nonetheless, deserves some qualification as well as an updated answer.

First, in spite of popular thinking and the often repeated myth to the contrary:

THERE IS ONLY ONE PRINCIPAL SAFETY ON EVERY GLOCK PISTOL.

The fact is that Glock pistols have only ONE primary safety — One! (And it's a lever-actuated, mechanically applied and compulsory, safety device that a Glock user MUST use every time the trigger is pulled.)

The, ‘striker safety’ itself is an integrated, mechanically applied, ancillary safety device that functions in addition to — but not independently of — a Glock trigger’s primary safety lever. Glock’s so-called, ‘striker safety’ can NOT be relied upon to function independently; and, ideally, it MUST be used in conjunction with the primary trigger (safety) lever.

As the Glock factory, itself, has warned for many years: Never remove the trigger (safety) lever from any Glock pistol. ‘Why?’ Because if the lever is removed then Glock’s basic integrated trigger safety mechanism will become highly unstable; and very unsafe to carry or use.

THE ACTUAL TRIGGER SAFETY LEVER, ITSELF, IS EVERY GLOCK PISTOL’S PRIMARY, ACTUAL AND MOST EFFECTIVE, SAFETY DEVICE.

Furthermore, by any conventional understanding of the term, Glock’s so-called, ‘drop safety’ is not actually a drop safety, at all. Instead it's a mechanically applied, anti-binding device that — sometimes and under certain conditions — MIGHT act as a non-discretionary ancillary safety.

The main purpose of Glock’s so-called, ‘drop safety’ is to prevent the trigger bar’s, ‘sear kick plate’ from becoming locked up in back of the striker lug. Every Glock pistol that hasn’t been modified from its original design has,

EXACTLY ONE PRIMARY, NON-DISCRETIONARY, MECHANICAL SAFETY; AND IT’S THAT LEVER ON EVERY GLOCK’S TRIGGER WHICH THE FACTORY HAS REPEATEDLY WARNED SHOULD NEVER BE REMOVED.

Now you know, ‘Why'. That lever on every Glock pistol’s trigger is Glock’s primary, integral and non-discretionary, single mechanical safety. Without that lever Glock’s entire, closely integrated, safety mechanism will become unstable and can easily fail.

Finally, in my own family NOBODY has ever selected a Glock pistol as a first handgun—Nobody, including myself! ;)
 
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