[basics]

especially in a little pt22..there will be many nay sayers. that suits me as,, to each his own.
theres only one way to know what that rd does.. thats try it on real live flesh with a thick enough mass,, as to be siimilar to the muggar..
a standard lr makes a nice little hole which if it manages to avoid any vital organs can be walked away from.. ive seen this.
ive seen first hand what this quick shok does..u get deep penetration, i dont even call what it does expansion.
it looks like three little miniture blades were sent spinning thru
the flesh...you would be lucky if a shoulder shot didnt hit the artery.. i sympathise with any doctor trying to find all the damage
a couple of chest shots will do..much less fix it..
this little pt22 is an excellent delivery system at up to 30 ft.
my wife has the berreta version 521 ,i believe.. excellent gun
but the pt22 has it beat ,in my opinion.great pocket pistol[with the quick shock rd.... thats what makes it a sure stopper.. i can put all 8 rds in a 6 inch square, at 25 ft.
practice practice practice ..

 

[Roadkill Bill]

OK, I'll be the first nay sayer.

Why would anyone in their right mind want to protect themselves with a .22? I'm glad you can put 8 of them in a 6" square. My wife can put 5 rounds of .357 in the chest of an attacker with her little pistol, and they'll do a hell of lot more to his system.

 

[basics]

well it be lot less noise ,a little cheaper too.
i didnt ask you to agree with me . i ask if folks had done a little personal research as to what that rd does after penetration..
if the 357 is her comfort zone, she oughta stay with it.
shot placement is the key anyway.. that and knowing u gun and ammunition..

 

[md_beatt]

thats try it on real live flesh with a thick enough mass,, as to be siimilar to the muggar..

I know I will prob regret asking but just what kind of flesh have you done this research on?


Mike.

 

[wwb]

I don't want to come down too hard on a new guy (Welcome to the forum, by the way), but a .22 rimfire should be an absolute last resort for self defense. I'd rate a .22 rimfire about one notch above a stick when it comes to self defense.

Can a .22 kill or disable? Yes, but it will take a very lucky shot to do so - I don't care what kind of fancy advertising is attached to the package. Killing requires energy, plain and simple..... and the .22 just ain't got it.

 

[uglydog]

I have personally seen what most types of .22 LR ammunition will do to a human body though have seen only one pictorial example of an autopsy using Qik-Shocks. The wound channel was not all that great, kind of like that of .380 ACP hardball but not nearly as deep. In other words, not overly impressive. The person did die (it was an autopsy after all) but unfortunately, there was no discussion of what caused the shooting and the after effects of the shots. As there is nothing special regarding the Qik-Shocks compared to other "specialty" .22 LR ammo, I would place them in the same catagory; namely beats having nothing. 22 LR "solids" are better "killers" as they have a much greater probability penetrating to vital organs but are notoriously poor stoppers. The various rimfire expanding bullets are better "stoppers" in comparison but may lack the pentration depth to disrupt vital functions. Having seen the results of more than one shooting, I firmly believe acceptable defensive rounds start at .380 ACP with appropriate defensive ammunition and go up from there. The main problem with the small calibers, particularly out of a handgun and a short barreled one in particular, is a lack of velocity/energy, inconsistant bullet performance, inconsistant wound channels (a .22 is readily diverted by bone, muscle, or even difference in tissue resistance) and lack of penetration as the bullets are so light. A further drawback of the rimfires is the greater likelihood of a misfire (regardless of ammo brand/type) compared to any centerfire gun. When one compares that to the fact that the platform used for a .22 LR is no different in size than for a larger cartridge, it makes little sense to pick the smaller cartridge unless there is an underlaying problem preventing one from using something bigger. If bullet style was all there was to stopping an aggressor, then the "specialty" bullets such as Glasers, MagSafes, etc. in the larger calibers would have a much better reputation than they do.

 

[killerb]

I think I might go with a .22 long rifle over a .25 ACP. The .25 ACP has a dismal track record. Thankfully, the Kel Tec .380 makes decisions like this purely academic. It is very light, thin, small, inexpensive and chambered for the .380 ACP. .380 is about the smallest I would ever want to carry. I would prefer it as a backup to a more powerful handgun, like my .357.

We must remember that there is a difference between lethality and stopping power. Most of us are more interested in stopping a fight than necessarily killing the attacker. A .22 can certainly kill, but in the time it takes to bleed out, the attacker can still continue to fight, causing significant harm or death to you.

 

[basics]

somebody described what a 22 short does out of a sat nite special..any modern 22lr rd is deadly,,but just doesnt have the knock dn of larger rds.
.. in the future self defence rds will put the emphasis on what the round does after its found its target.. the potential is unlimited.. the hunters have been moving in that direction a long time..
..the quick shot is just the best ive seen so far..the only problem i see is,, they may possibly be outlawed ,,as they leave no ballistics to speak of.. just little pieces of metal found sometimes 90 degrees from point of entry... for this reason if you intend to eat the meat of what ever you hunt,,this is not the rd for you
for the same reasons. the meat is ruined,in my opinion.

 

[killerb]

Mark Twain, Roughing It:

I was armed to the teeth with a pitiful little Smith & Wesson's seven-shooter, which carried a ball like a homoeopathic pill, and it took the whole seven to make a dose for an adult. But I thought it was grand. It appeared to me to be a dangerous weapon. It only had one fault--you could not hit anything with it.

I believe Mr. Clemens was speaking of a S&W Model 1. I think that was a .22 short, I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

[Alert]

Re: re: have you looked at what a 22 quick shock rd will do.

My wife can put 5 rounds of .357 in the chest of an attacker with her little pistol

some of us are marrid to petite women who would never shoot a .357 magnum

 

[Roadkill Bill]

Re: re: have you looked at what a 22 quick shock rd will do.

some of us are marrid to petite women who would never shoot a .357 magnum

A common misconception. Paxton Quigley, who runs a firarms training school for women, says that the two most popular guns that her students enjoy shooting at her school are the Ruger GP100 (.357), and the 1911 (.45 ACP). Neither of which are mouse guns.

And even though my medium 5'5" wife carries a SP101, her favorite gun is my Glock 21 (.45 ACP).

I am NOT saying that all women can handle these comfortably. I'm just saying they can usually handle a lot more than most men give them credit for. My wife, for example, didn't know a thing about recoil when she was first learning to shoot, so she wasn't afraid to shoot anything. So far, she still isn't.

I agree with killerb. I'd take a .22, or a good knife, over a .25 any day.

 

[basics]

in my case my sweet wife keeps her pistol in a nice holster in her purse with the safety on...that will work ,if you hear someone trying to break in the house. [ ive got her a semi rifle for this at home]
but for a mugger in a parking lot, that just is not a wise way to carry your mugger stopper..for the mugger gun ..you need to be able to just fill your hand and shoot.. the only thinking to be done should be,, do i kill this person or not.. no time for digging it out from under your day planner ,pulling it out the pretty holster an all that crap...it needs to be in the same place in her purse all the time. preferably with her hand on it at midnight when she leaves the building .. [shes a nurse ].im lucky about one thing tho..
she likes to practice..so pity the fool.they will probably be singing for him..
its sad how many buy a pistol.. shoot it 3-4 times ,, stick it in their purse, and forget it..
i can hear it now.. wait a minute mugger.. my pistol is in my other purse .you will just have to mug me some other nite..

 

[Alert]

Re: re: have you looked at what a 22 quick shock rd will do.

I'd take a .22, or a good knife, over a .25 any day.

a friend of mine has an old Beretta .25ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) that will put a round right through a 2x4..sorry to take exception with you again but I'm not one to take a knife to a gunfight

 

[Alert]

Re: re: have you looked at what a 22 quick shock rd will do.

I agree with killerb. I'd take a .22, or a good knife, over a .25 any day.

.25ACP is better than nothing

 

[Roadkill Bill]

A guy here in our fair city tried to commit suicide with a .25. He shot himself in the temple three times before he changed his mind. He did die later in the hospital, but he had time to call for and wait for an ambulance, get admitted, and go to surgery. Now that was three shots, dead on (no pun intended), and the range couldn't be any closer. No drugs in his system either.

A customer of mine, when I sold guns, had to take her brother to the hospital when he was playing with his mother's .25 and accidently shot himself right between the eyes. It was easy to remove because it was still sticking out. The kid was OK. Just has a little round scar.

A .22LR has more velocity than a .25, and is a better round, but again, I really wouldn't want to have to depend on anything smaller than a .38.

And as far as bringing a knife to a gunfight, if shooting .25s, the guy with a good knife may actually win that one. Especially if it has to penetrate clothing or a jacket/coat.

 

[castlebravo]

lol i use .22 hollow points high veolicty in pin shoots out of my rugar mk2 long barrle ( 9'') and they wont penatrat 1inch of rubber , i will find them in the rubber fully expanded but still hardly any penatration at all! i would never chose my .22 pistole for home defence my .22 rifle yes i would but id chose a 16ga with #8 bird shot over the .22 pistole

 

[bearhunter7mm]

/cough id use a 12 gauge magnum with rocksalt!

lord i hope that s.o.b runs so I can pump some salt in his ass!

 

[Bunnyman]

Not to piss in your cheerios, but...

 

[wwb]

It's pretty obvious the guy who did that test doesn't know squat about shotshell reloading.

If you want to shoot a very light load (like rock salt, for instance), you use a moderately small charge of a very fast-burning powder such as Hodgdon Clays or Alliant Red Dot.

He started with a 1-1/4 oz field load; that shell would have a very slow-burning powder in it. With only a light load to propel, it would not develop sufficient pressure to burn the way it's supposed to... and probably less than 1/4 of it burned at all. I'd be willing to bet the primer provided as much ooomph as the powder.

 

[mq1kael]

I've shot many many deer with my walther p22 at close range(where I'll be engaging people) and I've been impressed. pass thru's to the head happen often. Not that I'd choose it over something else but it does work. 2 or three rounds to the head or groan would make most people quit what they were doing