sounds like you guys have it good with your p85's. i got one brand new from my grandfather and it cant hit crap from any distance. the only time it has shot half decent is when i used American Eagle 147 grain FMJ flat point ammo thru it. That stuff is made by federal premium so it is pretty good stuff. but, other times i have used winchester 115 gr. FMJ round tip and it is so awful. some on the left, some on the right, some not even on the paper. and the worst thing is, i know it is not me because i put it in a gun vise, aimed the gun right at the bullseye, and used one of those expensive automatic trigger pulls. that gun can still not hit anything. i have no idea what is wrong with it. do any of you?