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Since I intend to live up to my name, ONE day (heh. :D), I need to find an appropiate handgun in 10mm auto. I like this caliber, but can't really say why.

So, what kind of pistol would you recommend?
I'm thinking of my favorite, a Glock, but dunno. Maybe the Star Megastar, but if it's anything like a Desert Eagle, then it's out of the question. Desert Eagle weighs far too much. A Bren is out of the question- scarcity of parts.
Dunno about a Double Eagle, or a Delta Eagle, though I imagine that'd get pretty pricey. Maybe a Tanfoglio Witness?

I know you might suggest 10mm in a revolver, but I wouldnt want one. I'd rather go with .357, or .45LC.
 

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If you're patient and persistent you may find a deal on one. I missed a great example recently with two mags for $350. It sold on the forum about 10 minutes after it was listed. I would have bought it to sell at a profit had I been quicker.
 

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Choices in 10 mm are pretty slim. The most reliable are the Glock and S&W. My preference would be with the S&W as i don't like the ergonomics of the Glock. The Glock is also a lighter gun (if I remember correctly) which makes it a bit harder to shoot in a hard recoiling cartridge like this. glock service is pretty decent and S&W should still have plenty of support for years to come and even independent, non-factory support should be good down the line.
As for other choices, that is about it. The Bren 10 is scarce as you mention and very expensive. If one can afford one of these, cost of parts is not a factor. The Colt Eagles are much the same as far as price and there were reliability issues as the frame was not really designed to stand up to the battering this cartridge dishes out. I had a Double Eagle in 45 ACP and even it was not reliable. Many others had problems too, there was no single common one which could point to a design or manufacturing flaw. This is one reason they did not last long on the market.
I am not fond of the Witness either, I had one in 45 ACP back when they were an EAA import (maybe they still are) and the frame eventually cracked. Others had similar problems in the bigger calibers which did not ingender trust in the product. Many speak highly of them but it they often seem to be in 9mm. Star products seem to be a pretty good value for the money but I still don't think they are much past mediocre in the quality department. I had a PD in >45 ACP for several years and it served me well in that time. It finally cracked its alloy frame but it was much my fault as I did not replace the recoil springs as often s I should have. That was an expensive lesson.
So, to recap, your best bet is with the Glock or S&W, the others are either suspect in quality and/or are expensive due to collector interest.
 

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In my opinion (yours may vary), the S&W 1076 is probably the best of the 10mm autos. Expect to pay at least $500 for one in decent condition..... $600+ if it's really clean.
 

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I don't know. I'm afraid the 1076 will get expensive in a few years, and I have to wait...

Which Star did you own? Which model, I mean.
 

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Like others told you, there aren't many guns in 10mm out there. Most of us have moved away from the 10mm and went to the .40 S&W instead ( similar balistics in a shorter case - and pressures are generally less ) and there are a lot of guns available. 10mm ammunition in my area is about 25% more expensive than .40 S&W - and I think as the popularily of the 10mm continues to drop, the 10mm ammo will probably continue to go up. If you reload there is a little difference in the cost to reload a 10mm vs .40 ( dies are the same, powder drop is about 1.0 grains higher on the 10mm, etc).

I'm not a Glock fan - so if you really have to have a 10mm I would recommend one of the 1911's ( Kimber has a couple, Springfield, Dan Wesson, etc ). There are quite a few of them on the used market too. But unless you want it as a "namesake" I would seriously consider the .40 S&W instead.
 

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The 10mm Auto has caught my eye for anumber of reasons. It packs a heavy punch, but is still offered in some pistols with considerable mag capacity. Although .40sw might be had in the same capacities, it's still has just a little less power in my eyes.

I'll might feel the same as you once i test a glock, which should be soon (Gonna go to the range in a week or so with my uncle's friends), but what's wrong with the grips on the glocks? Or the triggers?

If size or ergonomics were the issue, i've seen plenty of gunsmiths offering grip reduction or beavertail extensions (although they were pretty pricey)
 

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Glock, get the Glock. I know a lot of people dislike the Glock because of it's fame and don't want to conform or feel as if they are part of a FAD. As in it's not cool anymore cause everyone is doing. BUT the Glock happens to be one of the best if the best gun you can get within that price range.

I myself prefer 9mm Luger, .357 Sig & .45 Auto Colt when it comes to automatic pistols. When considering Revolving pistols I've always liked .357 S&W Magnum, .44 Remington Magnum and the Classic .45 Long Colt.

Anyway.. the Glock 20 is what you must be looking at. The Glock 17,19 & 25 impressed me. All 9mm variants. The 25 is a short 9mm. 9mm Browning more commonly known as .380 Colt. All happen to be great automatics. I considered buying the 21 several times, but I already have 1911 that I don't really need so the G21 is just want which canceled out by the lack of need. :)

Quality guns are pricey and a Glock is cheap in comparison to others. You rely on this thing not to to discharge anytime other than when you intentionally engage the firing mechanism so don't pinch too many pennies. A lot things are sacraficed with cheaper guns, including safety. The recent Glocks are much more safer than they use to be. They have had some serious malfunctions in the past, but the engineers have corrected all of that.

The only issue anyone should have with 10mm would be economics, but it's not issue currently ammunition, the kind that rips em a new gaping hole, is the same as .40 Smith and .45 Colt.

The Use of 10mm is limited and the use of it has been fading for a long time. I would assume it should cost more due to lack of popularity which would cause a low production of ammunition, but that doesn't seem to be effecting cost. So somewhere 10mm is popular.
 

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The 10mm is not a popular gun for several reasons. One, it is much more powerful than needed for typical defensive usage; like the 41 and 44 magnums it exits the object being fired at and creates a hazard down range. This excessive power also not transfered to the target as well and is actually less effective than some lesser cartridges for defensive work. Semi auto pistols are not popular for hunting bigger game either, partly as they are not as accurate as an equivalent revolver not are the cartridges typically powerful enough for this use either. The length of the cartridge is also a factor, it is quite long which can make for difficulties holding it which is not conducive to accurate shooting. It also does not make for a good gun for concealed carry and is even fairly heavy with an outside waist band holster. A very talented gunsmith can reduce this by a little bit but it is not much. It is also expensive, nearly the cost of a second gun. The FBI soon realized the above after their adoption of the 10mm in the late 1980s which resulted in a reduced power load. This helped a little as far as recoil went but it still was a large and difficult gun to hide and control. Reducing the length of the 10mm cartridge while keeping the same pressures is what lead to the development of the ..40 S&W cartridge, one that is much better than the 10mm for defensive use in my eyes.
 

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Maybe once I get out there, it will be too expensive for me. If I started reloading, though, maybe. Even if it's not as effective as .45ACP or .40SW, I still like the 10mm. Really just can't say why.

Anyways, you guys have been a great help. If I don't like how the glock feels, I'll look at some 1911 styled pistols. Many thanks.
 

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The 10mm is a white elephant. It's already walking the path of the dodo bird. The .45 ACP is all that is needed for social work, period. It's available in tons of guns, affordable and bullet variety is like no other. Auto or wheelgun, the .45 ACP is the king of the beasts, offering the best of both worlds. It's a stopper and it's easy to shoot.

BTW... what is it that you have plans for, tenmilli-master? LE?
 

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Again, I do not like the .45ACP, and have an inexplicable aversion to the M1911 and its variants. High Capacity is very important to me (although not in the 20+extremes that i had first been talking about in Hi Cap+HI power)

And, no, I don't intend to become LE. No real plans. Just for which sidearm I intend to own.

If I don't like the 10mm, then I'm sticking to 9mm. Higher capacities.
 

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OK, I'll bite. What don't you like about the 45ACP and the 1911? Did you ever shoot one? What's the deal with high capacity? Too much TV?
 

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As I recall the 10mm's history is shady. It was NEVER populuar from the go. It was kind of a failure. No one liked it then nor do they like it now, but S&Ws 10mm short (.40 Cal) took off like the newest and coolest thing on the block.

I don't like to venture between 9mm & .45. The mediums never appealed to me.

Being a cop is like being a yanitor with a gun. They are there to baby sit or watch over the place and occasionally break up fights. And they just don't give a damn. Much like a yanitor they become pissed when they get a work order cause that means they have to get up. If it wasn't for the fact that they get to carry a gun they would probably quit.

Besides the LE job market is flooded. The criteria and schooling to get the job is so easy the only worry is getting shot or stabbed and that's no big deal, not unless your affraid of injury or inevitable death.

Some people like 10mm. He's just using it to blow a hole is someone if he needs to. Might not perfom the best, but when your just using it to blow a hole in someoneso comparing which has optimimized trajectory and muzzle energy is just splitting hairs.
 

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NeverAgain,

Way to go. You just managed to insult the entire LE community, including me (retired). Your comments are neither true or close to being accurate. So what was the reason they didn't allow you to become a cop?


tenmilli-master,

When I first started messing with handguns I shot a M19 and I too didn't have much use for a 45ACP, thinking they were much to do about nothing. I then started shooting bullseye and was forced into a 45. In the '80s I shot some IPSC in both revolver and auto. I had a Les Baer comp gun built and also shot a 45ACP revolver. I then really came to appreciate the 45ACP for it's versatility, low recoil, power, affordability, fun to shoot factor, etc.....but it did have to grow on me. I shoot mostly .22s today, but when I get the urge to shoot something bigger I always reach for the 45. I have numerous guns in multiple calibers, but the 45ACP is my favorite centerfire. Don't rule it out entirely. Give it another look and do so with an open mind. Get out and shoot... join a club... learn by doing. Likewise, don't limit yourself to a gun simply because it has high capacity, which means very little in the real world.
 

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You won't appreciate this, but... There are those out there whose sentiments follow this line of thought, ".45 ACP is king"/ "M1911 is king". In some respects, I agree. It almost is king in cost vs. expansion. I agree, it IS a good cartridge for... well, anything.


That's not why I dislike the M1911, or the .45ACP. Suppose something new, possibly better than either of these two things. Many of their supporters, either disliking change, unwilling to have to train around a new round/pistol, or simply denouncing the other pistol/rounds' superiority, will be biased in their opinion, and not want to give it a try.

This "Old is best" mentality is what infuriates me, and whenever I pick up a '45, I just get to thinking about it again.

I should feel the same about hardline glockers, but I don't. Maybe because I suspect they feel much the same as I do about the M1911.


Now, I might feel much better about the M1911 once I actually get my hands on own (or on a glock, for that matter). I'm just a kid, Hardnose. No money. No car. No job. All I have is a promising future, and a few .22's. (and a supporting mother). So it won't be a few years until that happens.
 
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