I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but H&K has never impressed me. Their guns are some of the most overpriced on the face of the Earth. I will say the Benelli shotguns posess good quality and design, but the bulk of their product is overpriced molded plastic and metal stampings. Look at a Glock, the original Polymer pistol, (and still the one to beat). They run around $475.00 for a full sized .45 with a couple of hi-cap mags. They will run forever. Look at this Model 23 "SOCOM". $2,300.00?? I don't think so. Look at a standard CAR-15 in 9 MM compared to an MP-5. The CAR can be had for under a grand most anywhere, while the MP-5 "weapons system" costs thousands. H&K gets away with it because of there military contracts world wide. It's easy to over charge the government and it's taxpayers. If they had to survive on civilian sales, I don't know many who would, or could pay what they want for their product. Bill T.