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Not everyone dislikes the Berettas..... my son (who has not yet seen the light) has a pair of 96 Elites, and likes them. You yourself said that you like the 92.

One question, though..... have you ever tried a 1911?
 

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1) Long creepy trigger.
2) 9mm

It's not a bad gun by any means. Both the Beretta and the Sig passed all the test for the military sidearm. They chose the Berreta because it was cheaper. Personally, I would have chosen the Sig. You can't beat the Sig grip.

The Glock wasn't out yet when the military trials began. For a pure combat arm, I think it has the Beretta and the Sig beat.

That and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. (But not a big cup.) :shock:
 

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I like my 92FS alot! I find it has a nice feel to it. I got it years ago and I remember that it felt alot better than the Glock. The Glock, I think it was the Glock17 felt too small in my hand so I went with the 92FS. I still like the Beretta alot and it shoots well. A friend tried it out and liked it so much he went and bought a M9.

My brother just picked up a Glock34, its bigger and has a nice feel to me as . Its a really nice shooter.
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Re: re: Why do people dislike the M9

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The Glock wasn't out yet when the military trials began. For a pure combat arm, I think it has the Beretta and the Sig beat.
The Glock should be a better weapon for miltary applications, it was intended for such use from its introduction back in the mid-later 1970s. The Sigs and Berettas were designed more for the police market which does not place as high of a demand on personal firearms as military applications. I don't recall the actual reason for Glock's not participating in the trials but as they had been around for nearly a decade by then, that reason was not it. Most likely it was not having any manufacturing capability nor current intentions of doing so in the U.S. at the time. Another reason may be they did not meet specifications as those models that took part at the time were closer to conventional designs than the Glock.
I thought the 92F I had many years ago was a nice frearm but I did not like the grip nor the trigger pull all that much. I gave it up when the department decided to issue firearms and required us to use Glocks. I don't think I would purchase another one as I find other models to be more user friendly to me.
 

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they had been around for nearly a decade by then
Hmmm . . . Check your dates. I think that the Glock 17 was scheduled to hit the market 6 months after the government trials.
 

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I see a lot of Glocks, XDs, and only a few 1911, CZs, and Berettas in IDPA and USPSA.

Most people I shoot with are using Glocks or XDs today.
 

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The Glock 17 entered the U.S. market in 1986 if I recall correctly, it had been adopted as Austria's military handgun in 1980 with it having passed trials in 1978 or 1979. There were other forerunners to this model that appeared a little earlier which is where I came up with the mid-late '70s intro time frame. I do believe Glock was asked to have a representation in the U.S. military trials but were rejected as they had no intention of opening a manufacturing facility in the U.S. at that time. If Glock would have had a different business plan, we might now be discussing how everyone hates Glocks and the Beretta semi-autos would be all the rage.

I have to amend my statement above, the Glock 19 was withheld from the U.S. military trials by Gaston himself due to having to release certain patent and production rights to open bidding. As he did not want to do so, the Glock 19 was not therefore not allowed to participate in the trials. At least that is according to what a buddy of mine believes based in having taken part in some of the earlier pistol trials conducted under Air Force auspices.
 

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What a shame. I'm sure our brilliant military minds would have demanded an external safety, too. However, I have heard that Glock has done this now on some models for government contracts. I've never seen a picture of one, but some magazine article mentioned it.
 

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Topmaul said:
I have a Beretta 92 FS and I like it. Why do people dislike it.
My reasons for it not being at the top of the list are:

Too heavy for caliber - but it softens recoil.

Mediocre sights.

Rather poor trigger.

Grip is too big to get my smallish hands around.

Underpowered.

They cost more than I'm willing to pay.

And the military ones break slides more often than I like.


Other than that, they're okay.
 

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I think people are just bitter that a foreign 9mm replaced the American .45 ACP. Devotees of the 1911 will just never accept a double action 9mm. I think 9mm was a poor choice of a battle pistol, but I think they wanted a standardized NATO chambering.
 

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"Why do people dislike the M9?"

It's way too large for a 15 shot 9 MM. The open top slide is a silly way to try and save weight on a too big and clumsy of a pistol. Third and last, the most dreded metal the gun industry has ever been afflicted with, ALUMINUM! Bill T.
 

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Archie said:
Topmaul said:
I have a Beretta 92 FS and I like it. Why do people dislike it.
My reasons for it not being at the top of the list are:

Too heavy for caliber - but it softens recoil.
*No heavier than competative pistols of similar materials.

Mediocre sights.
* nothing wrong with the sights

Rather poor trigger.
*Dbl action is a bit heavy but not bad, single is fine and they make a real DAO

Grip is too big to get my smallish hands around.
*Beretta grip can be changed with grip panels, Glock requires work by a gunsmith making permanent changes.

Underpowered.
*Don't like 9mm, then buy the 96 in 40S&W or learn proper shot placement.

They cost more than I'm willing to pay.
*Thats your problem,

And the military ones break slides more often than I like.
*WRONG, The slides that broke were U.S.Navy guns tested with proof loads under water.

Other than that, they're okay.
*Glad you aprove :roll:
 

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The M9 is a good quality gun, I only have one reason for not liking them. The ergonomics of the grip are not comfortable for me. As for the 9mm problem. Police departments nationwide have moved up to the .40 cal because the 9mm lacks stopping power. Even the military sees where they screwed up and are looking to go back to the .45acp. due to budgeting they had to put this off a while longer though. There are some of the old war horses who served during the time when the military switched and prefer the M9 because it is easier to use and can be carried safely with the hammer down on a loaded chamber.
 

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Topmaul said:
I have a Beretta 92 FS and I like it. Why do people dislike it.
I use to have one it was a great shooting gun. Its just the weak 9mm people hate. But it is really one of the best pistols to learn to shoot with i started with it and moved to a Glock 22.
 

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If anyone has any dobts as to the berreta not being good enough for competition or army application. Or if you own a 92, Do yourself a favor and check out this new years January Guns and Ammo. :wink: Jack
 

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Topmaul said:
I have a Beretta 92 FS and I like it. Why do people dislike it.
Probably because they have never had to use a 1911 in combat.
I was in the Army in the late 1960's, and most handgun users were very eager to get a newer design- higher capacity, DA, 9mm- for a service pistol.
I enjoy my 1911's-I own and carry 2 of them right now-but the M-9 is a much better pistol for the purpose.

A lot of people seem to think the M-1 was the best rifle of all time, too, but I'd rather carry something a little more modern.

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